Off The Wall

John Piper, Mark Dever, & Rick Warren are Off The Wall

John Piper quote about Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life:
“Frankly, I’m appalled at the kinds of slander that have been brought against this book by people whose methods of critique, if they were consistently applied to the Bible, would undo it as the Word of God…  When I read the book, I thought “what’s the issue here?”” John Piper, May 28, 2011 Christian Today

Mark Dever (IX Marks) on Rick Warren:
“First of all, let us affirm that we love and respect Rick Warren as a Christian brother, and we consider him a genuine comrade in pastoral ministry. His heart for evangelism is second to none. His passion to see people reached for Christ is pulsating, contagious, and quite frankly, convicting. His sincerity is unquestioned, and his apparent success is unparalleled. And we agree with Warren on the fundamentals of the faith. In fact, one of our primary concerns in releasing these reviews has been that we’ll be misperceived as turning our guns on our own guys if we say anything corrective. We’re not shooting at our comrade in arms here. Our intent is constructive, not destructive.”  Mark Dever, IX Marks

The point that these people do not get is that we are supposed to be living an “Holy Spirit Driven Life”.  People like Piper & Denver do not see the important place of the Work of Grace.  They exclude the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the proof of the “Signs” following which prove the authenticity of the work of Jesus Christ.  They have excluded the Holy Spirit from being Born Again, as Jesus said, “of water and the Spirit” (Jn. 3: 3, 5, 7).  This means that there are two component parts of being “born again” or more accurately “born from above”.  The first is repentance for sin which is proven by water baptism.  The second is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is demonstrated, as on the Day of Pentecost, as proven by the receiving of a “new language” (Mk. 16: 17) or as Paul says, “other national languages” which the Holy Spirit uses in God’s unique New Communications System which gives people amongst other things “self control” over our tongues so that blessing and cursing no longer can occur.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 12: 6 – 8; 1 Cor. 12: 8 – 10) are excluded or dismissed as natural talents and abilities.  The Greek Word for the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is “charisma” singular and “charismata” plural.  The “charis” part means that they are “grace gift” or “grace gifts”.  A man who taught at the University of Philadelphia wrote that when the churches stopped using and allowing and encouraging the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, they cut of God’s Grace from the churches.  Most churches teach wrongly, that whenever a person invites Jesus to be their Saviour that the person/people also receive the Holy Spirit.  This was not true on the Day of Pentecost when 120 people who sins had been forgiven received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in a new language for every one of them.  This second experience is the norm for the Book of Acts.  The only time when people received the Holy Spirit was when Peter preached in the House of Cornelius the Centurion when they all believed and received the Holy Spirit at the same time (Acts 10: 44 – 48).

Rick Warren’s books and teaching are about works righteousness or living by his new version of law.  He like so many others have excluded the authentic work of Grace through the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. The program has been a dismal failure in the Churches that have bought into the Non-Biblical Program.   I have a ministry in which I do Holy Spirit Seminars teaching people how to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and how to use the 15 Gifts of the Holy Spirit in their churches as they are distributed by the Holy Spirit, one at a time (1 Cor. 12: 11).  Then, every church service becomes one of “Signs, Wonders & Miracles”.  Thanks to Walter Kambulow who referred a woman to me, from West Virginia, who had been seeking the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for 33 years, I was able to pray with her on the telephone and she received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.  Her persistence resulted in the Promise of Jesus being fulfilled in her life (Lk. 18: 1 – 8).

Church services are supposed to be like what Paul describes in 1 Cor. 14: 26f.  If not, then they are then they are being done “indecently and out of order” because Paul describes what is supposed to be “done decently and in order” (1 Cor. 14: 40).  All of these so called “New Paradigms” for the Church promise success but end up in failure.  The Only Paradigm for Worship and Ministry is found in the Book called, “The New Testament” in a form of worship which Jesus described when talking to the Samaritan woman at the Well (Jn. 4: 21, 23).  He said, “Woman believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father……But the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshippers  will worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him.”  Jesus redefined how worship was and is supposed to be:  in Spirit and in Truth.  And that is what Paul is primarily describing in 1 Cor. 12 – 14.

Most so-called worship today in most churches and denominations are not being carried out in Spirit and in Truth.  In fact, they ignore and forbid the work and Gifts of the Holy Spirit in their church services and meetings.  The Clergy have, so to speak, gone back to the bad worship in Jerusalem and on the Samaritan mountain where they had their own worship services done in their own wisdom.  They mistakenly think that worship is their liturgies and buildings when Jesus and Paul redefined and removed real worship from the Temple in Jerusalem and the Synagogues when he wrote, “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you.  If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him.  For God’s temple is holy, and that temple you are (1 Cor. 3: 16 – 17).  And that is the reason why Jesus started His Church in His own home (Mark 2: 2) and the early church met in the homes of believers (Acts 2: 46; 5: 42; 20: 20; Rom. 16: 5; 1 Cor. 16: 19; Col. 4: 15, and many more). This is the reason why people who read the New Testament today cannot find churches where there are the legitimate “Signs, Wonders & Miracles” found in the New Testament.

The Plan for 2012: “Go and Preach the Gospel” with the “Signs” to prove it.–p381.php

The problem is that people who do not know their Greek at all and who also do not read their English Bible Translations at all, connecting the chapters and verses.  When Paul wrote “but when the perfect (end: telieos;  having attained the end or purpose, complete, perfect) comes, the imperfect will pass away” (1 Cor. 13: 10).  He also tells us when this will happen in 1 Cor. 15: 24, where he writes, “”Then comes the end (telos, from the verb teleo: future tense, meaning to bring to an end, finish, goal, to the end or goal), when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father destroying every rule and every authority and power.”  The Gifts of the Holy Spirit will not pass away until the Resurrection of all the dead occurs (1 Cor. 15: 12 – 24).   The perfect end will not have occurred until the Resurrection from the dead and we go to the New Heaven.  This is not very difficult for anybody to understand unless they are in rebellion against God and do not wish to have the Baptism of Jesus which is called “The Baptism of the Holy Spirit” with proof of the “signs following” (Mk. 16: 17 – 18) which confirms our preaching.  This also necessitates rewriting or amending what Jesus said to Nicodemus: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God” (Jn. 3: 5).  They would have to erase “of the Spirit” which they do in fact because when a person has received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, as happened on the Day of Pentecost they were all speaking in tongues”.  This is what I experienced yesterday when we saw over 300+ people receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.  All of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 12: 6 – 8 ; 1 Cor. 12: 8 – 10) are still being distributed by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12: 11) as they have been done continuously throughout the history of the Christian Church.  As one Baptist historian pointed out, the signs, wonders and miracles have been removed from the history of the Church by historians who do not and did not believe in signs, wonders and miracles.  When given the opportunity to study at a Seminary which has a excellent library, the truth is found in their books.  There has never been a time in history when the Holy Spirit stopped distributing the Gifts of the Holy Spirit just as there has never been a time in history when people have stopped refusing to receive the Holy Spirit and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit (Lk. 5: 38 – 39).  This is not too difficult to understand except by people who do not want Jesus to be their Lord.

Greek meaning of “Brethren”

Paul told us, in order to correct the idea left over from Jewish teaching and his Pharisaic background, about women:  ”There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  If you belong to Christ, then you are Adam’s sewed, and heirs according to promise” (Gal. 3: 28 – 29).  It is obvious that Romans 16: 15 especially applies to both men and women because in Romans 16: 1 – 16 Paul’s greetings were for both men and women as listed by him.  All believers both men and women are our “brethren”.

There has been a prejudice carried on against women mostly because of the political systems which were followed and copied by churches.  Even in the translations of most of the translations today that wrong attitude toward women has been mistranslated.  For instance, when Paul is discussing Christian Marriage, he writes as usually translated, “Be subject to one another out of your reverence for Christ” (Eph. 5: 21).  He is speaking to both husbands and wives.  However, the Greek verb here is not a commandment, it is a call/invitation to both husbands and wives to volunteer to minister/serve each other.  If  you know Greek Grammar it is in the present middle indicative which means that the people who are being addressed have to voluntarily choose to what is being suggested to them.  In the next verse, usually translated, “Wives be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord” (Eph. 5: 22).  In Greek, it does not say be subject to your husbands.” It says, “The wives belong to the husbands as to the Lord.”  This is a warning that our wives belong to Jesus and we should treat them in the same manner as all of his people as He does.  In verse 5: 24, writes, “But as the church (submits) voluntarily serves/ministers to Jesus so also wives should voluntarily minister to their husbands.”

The Apostle Paul, contrary to most public opinion carried on in church traditions was a married man.  He mentioned this when he wrote to the Corinthian Church, “Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?” (1 Cor. 9: 5). He wrote this because he and Barnabas travelled with their wives just as the other apostles did.

As a Pharisee, it was one of their rules that a single man was not observed to be able to be given authority.  Authority was given only to married men who had at least one son which proved that he was blessed by God.  No sons were seen as no blessing of God.  This is reflected in Paul’s statement, when he writes, “The saying is sure: If anyone aspires to the office of bishop (overseer)(3: 1)……He  must manage his own house well, exercising leadership over (supervising) his own house well having children submissive with proper respect.”  ”But if anyone does not know how to supervise/manage his own house how can he care for of God’s church” (3: 5).

Paul mentions women who were preachers of the Gospel, on the Day of Pentecost women were amongst the 120 people who received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as fulfillment of prophecy of Joel, evangelists, prophets, gave leadership in house churches, Junias who was an apostle and who was imprisoned with Paul and her husband.  Salvation, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, receiving the 15 Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to both men and women as well as the proof of the Signs Following.  The only restrictions on women are those who wrongfully and sinfully try to hamper or prevent them from serving Jesus Christ, empowered by the Holy Spirit to do what they have been called to fulfill in the Church of Jesus Christ.  They have the same responsibility to identify to the church of Jesus Christ locally as well as internationally those who are in leadership who sin and think that we/they should not identify the false teachers, prophets, pastors, evangelists, apostles.  They like to use the verse which says, “Touch not my anointed, and do my prophets no wrong” (Ps. 105: 15) which is talking about faithful, reliable people who are not using verses of Scriptures to justify their sin.

King David thought that he had committed the “perfect crime” until the prophet Nathan pointed his finger at him and said, “You are the man” (2 Sam. 12: 7).  Whenever, we do not listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit and go ahead and sin, the Holy Spirit will send somebody to say to us, “You are the man.”  Every Christian has a responsibility to expose sin in leadership as well as those who are not in leadership.  Paul says, “Brethren if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual  should restore him in a spirit of gentleness” (Gal. 6: 1).  Peter warns us in the whole of 2 Peter, Chapter 2  about what is the final judgment of such people who think that they can sin without judgment.  The last verse says, “It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to mire in the mud” (2: 22).  Jesus warns that such people that he can remove “blot  his name out of the book of life; I will confess his name before my Father and his angels” (Rev. 3: 5).  In other words, they can lose their salvation.  Hebrews warns, “It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.  For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God.  But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end it to be burned” (Heb. 6: 4 – 8).

I’m afraid that this all applies to people like Rick Warren and others who have compromised the Gospel and think that they can sin without being accountable.   Too often, because Christian men will not deal with leaders’ sin, the Holy Spirit will use Christian women to do so.  One woman who was accused of taking a position of leadership and ministry by some male pastors, responded by say, “I asked the Lord, ‘Why have you chosen me to do this ministry?  And, He said, ‘Because no man would take the job.”

Gordon Williams





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